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#76 2015-05-21 17:38:47

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

Well, had both a success and a setback on the CC front tonight.

Remembering that one of the CC's displayed 2Mb more RAM than the other, I decided to swap the RAM from the soundless logic board over onto the one I have been using (which although I am using it, does definitely need a recap), and upon booting it up, noticed I had the same 4MB that is had to start with. I pulled the boards out and double checked that I hadnt actually mystified one machine and forgotten about it, but nope, they were two identical CC boards. Now to my knowledge, the CC had onboard memory as well as the expansions, so I pulled the expansion SIMMs out and switched it on, only to get the chimes of death and a grey screen... Looks like the board Ive been using has only been running off the expanded RAM for years. hmm There is a rather swollen cap at C6 which I suspect is to blame. To confirm my theory that the onboard RAM wasnt registering, I put the other board (which is actually the original board from the running CC anyway) in, but not before noticing that the whole board was covered in some kind of crud... not cap goo best I can tell, but some other crap that was likely from it sitting out of the machine for some time when I experimented with Mystifying it. In any case I noticed some of this crud was in close proximity to what looks to be the sound chip, so scratched it off with a fingernail, then put the board in and it booted up, but this time with a chime! big_smile

So, it turns out my supposedly bad board is actually the better one bt was just being upset by shed grime, whilst the good board is actually not registering the onboard RAM properly. I will put my cap order in soon at Element  and get the old shitty caps off the faulty board first and see whether this fixes the issue... here's hoping it does. If not, I guess this board has bigger problems, and I may Mystify one of the CC's permanantly and just keep this board as a spare. smile

In any case, I now have my CC running properly with sound on it's original logic board, AND with enough memory to actually function properly rather than the bare minimum. smile So all up I'd call it a reasonable evening.


Stay hungry... Stay foolish.
G5 2.0DC, Yikes G4/500 Sonnet-Enhanced, B+W G3/450, 9600/200MP, 7600/200, iMacs DVSE Graphite and 600 Snow, 7220/200, WGS 7350/180, 6360/160, 5500/250 DE, Pismo, 2x Lombards, 6100/66DOS, 2x CC's, 3x Pluses, 512K, SE/30, SE Superdrive, 2x Classics, IIvx, IIci, IIsi, 3x LC520, 4x LC575, 5x P580, LC, LCIII, //gs LE, 2x ROM 02 //gs', IIe... and I'm outta characters!

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#77 2015-05-22 07:16:23

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

Well, it sounds to me like most of the hard work of preserving and hosting older versions of sites has already been done by the Internet Archive. All that's needed is bbraun's magic device smile

In the meantime, if one knows the syntax of an I.A. URL, they can do more or less the same thing that the magic device would do, except by hand.

c


Main Macs: Early '09 Mac Pro, Mid '12 MacBook Pro 13"
Secondary Macs: Early '08 Mac Pro, Mid '12 MacBook Pro 15"
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#78 2015-05-22 09:00:38

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

Unfortunately though, one thing I've discovered is that whatever magic the Internet Archive uses to preserve images doesn't seem to jive well with older browsers. For example, Apple's 1997 webpage looks fine on my MacBook, and back in the day it would've looked fine on a Mac running Netscape 3, but if I fire up Netscape 3 on my LC475 and attempt to visit Apple's 1997 website, I won't see the images.

However if the magic device could both do what was mentioned above, and fix this issue it would be truly awesome smile

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#79 2015-05-22 13:12:40

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

Welp... my success was shortlived. Seemed to be some odd electrical anomolies going on last night which resulted in my strip heater biting the dust, my Apple Colour Display from the sounds of it blowing a couple of big caps (judging by the sizzling sound), and the CC board failing to do anything but show a grey screen and have some wierd electrical noise from the speaker, all in the space of an hour. hmm

Hopefully the monitor is an easy fix, and the heater doesnt bother me immensely, but I'm somewhat upset by the fact that whatever is damaged on the CC seems to be local to the good logic board, as when I put the other one in, it boots properly... though interstingly I note that each time I swapped boards, the speaker buzz was consistently still there for the first boot on the still working board, but not after a shutdown and restart. Weird. Anyway, nothing else damaged thankfully... I would be rather annoyed if the 9600 was to get toasted.


Stay hungry... Stay foolish.
G5 2.0DC, Yikes G4/500 Sonnet-Enhanced, B+W G3/450, 9600/200MP, 7600/200, iMacs DVSE Graphite and 600 Snow, 7220/200, WGS 7350/180, 6360/160, 5500/250 DE, Pismo, 2x Lombards, 6100/66DOS, 2x CC's, 3x Pluses, 512K, SE/30, SE Superdrive, 2x Classics, IIvx, IIci, IIsi, 3x LC520, 4x LC575, 5x P580, LC, LCIII, //gs LE, 2x ROM 02 //gs', IIe... and I'm outta characters!

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#80 2015-05-22 13:16:27

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

Have you checked the analog board on the CC?

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#81 2015-05-24 21:28:06

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

Nah I've not had it fully apart again yet, but will suss it out further when i have time to have a closer look inside just in case anything is awry. Our area has had some strange electrical anomolies lately so I suspect there may have been some weird current spikes going on that night which would explain 3 items failing in a short timeframe (thankfully not the 9600 or the G5) but yes, given that I am dealing with 25 year old componentry I'm not convinced that some further damage hasnt been done aside from the logic board. I will indeed pull it apart at some point and give it a visual checkover and maybe a precautionary redo of all the caps and any daggy looking other bits just because eventually they will need doing anyway. Thus far the CC is still starting up fine anyway with the other board... that is coming back out though as surface mounts eletrolytics are definitiely had it and probably part of the reason not all the RAM is registering. hmm


Stay hungry... Stay foolish.
G5 2.0DC, Yikes G4/500 Sonnet-Enhanced, B+W G3/450, 9600/200MP, 7600/200, iMacs DVSE Graphite and 600 Snow, 7220/200, WGS 7350/180, 6360/160, 5500/250 DE, Pismo, 2x Lombards, 6100/66DOS, 2x CC's, 3x Pluses, 512K, SE/30, SE Superdrive, 2x Classics, IIvx, IIci, IIsi, 3x LC520, 4x LC575, 5x P580, LC, LCIII, //gs LE, 2x ROM 02 //gs', IIe... and I'm outta characters!

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#82 2015-05-25 12:45:03

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

You have some great stuff

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#83 2015-05-25 19:05:55

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

Lockley wrote:

You have some great stuff

Cheers mate! smile Looking at your thread you seem to have a nice cross-section yourself. smile

The stuff in this thread so far is only the very tip of the iceberg... I've got various pizzabox Mac's, 5xx's, some 6xxx's, 7600's, a 7500 I built from a pile of junk, A black 5500 DE and a standard white one, the 6100 DOS, a Power clone, various iMac's, another IIvx, IIsi's, IIci, an eMac just to name a few still at my fathers property and a heap of peripherals... even got an Apple scanner somewhere. smile I actually intend on driving out there later today and possibly bringing home a couple more toys to work on. I'd love to fire the black beast up again actually... and it looks like I now have myself a Sawtooth as well. smile


Stay hungry... Stay foolish.
G5 2.0DC, Yikes G4/500 Sonnet-Enhanced, B+W G3/450, 9600/200MP, 7600/200, iMacs DVSE Graphite and 600 Snow, 7220/200, WGS 7350/180, 6360/160, 5500/250 DE, Pismo, 2x Lombards, 6100/66DOS, 2x CC's, 3x Pluses, 512K, SE/30, SE Superdrive, 2x Classics, IIvx, IIci, IIsi, 3x LC520, 4x LC575, 5x P580, LC, LCIII, //gs LE, 2x ROM 02 //gs', IIe... and I'm outta characters!

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#84 2015-06-16 06:02:29

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

Welp, I have just added a Sawtooth G4 to the collection... It's very stock, a little dirty, and has a couple of broken case latches but it works like a charm after a PMU reset so all up still a winner. smile It was also missing the correct AGP graphics card, so I am currently limping it along on my stuffed PCI Rage128 card that has the video artefacts but seems to work in everything. I will try and source a stock card or a later AGP Powermac graphics card for it soon enough. smile

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But yes, it is a stock as a rock 400Mhz model, 128Mb of RAM, original 10Gb HDD, and has Panther on it that actually runs quite respectably with the minimal amount of RAM. I am not entirely certain what use this will be put to yet, however I am considering just loading 2Gb of RAM into it and a 120Gb HDD, chucking in a wireless adaptor and loading Tiger, and having it in my bedroom with a mirror of my iTunes library from the G5 on it.... maybe even just leach it from music sharing. Unless I find another more useful purpose of course.

I also on an unrelated not, found my old PIII  Flightsim/Teamspeak server from 10 years ago. big_smile


Stay hungry... Stay foolish.
G5 2.0DC, Yikes G4/500 Sonnet-Enhanced, B+W G3/450, 9600/200MP, 7600/200, iMacs DVSE Graphite and 600 Snow, 7220/200, WGS 7350/180, 6360/160, 5500/250 DE, Pismo, 2x Lombards, 6100/66DOS, 2x CC's, 3x Pluses, 512K, SE/30, SE Superdrive, 2x Classics, IIvx, IIci, IIsi, 3x LC520, 4x LC575, 5x P580, LC, LCIII, //gs LE, 2x ROM 02 //gs', IIe... and I'm outta characters!

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#85 2015-06-16 13:08:35

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

Sawtooths aren't speed demons out of the box, but they're tough and very upgradeable. I have one that's rendered sterling service as my file server. Nice pickup.


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#86 2015-06-17 22:11:57

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

I was given a nice 500 MHz model, with a stock AGP card, 2x128 GB and 2x60 GB, and something like 512 MB or 1 GB (could've been 2 GB, can't remember).

I hacked in some nice, quiet running main and PSU fans, so it's super quiet (I don't know how cool running, but it never overheated).

c


Main Macs: Early '09 Mac Pro, Mid '12 MacBook Pro 13"
Secondary Macs: Early '08 Mac Pro, Mid '12 MacBook Pro 15"
Playthings: Mac SE/30, 3.0 GHz Mavericks-based HackServe, Many others....
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#87 2015-06-22 12:15:36

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

I always wanted a Sawtooth or Gigabit when I was in high school but really couldn't stretch the budget that far as at that time even a couple of year old G3 B+W was a stretch and AGP G4's were still worth silly money. I'd still love to get my hands on a Gigabit or even just a Gigabit board to throw into my Saw and a dual 550 daughtercard to really spice things up. smile


Stay hungry... Stay foolish.
G5 2.0DC, Yikes G4/500 Sonnet-Enhanced, B+W G3/450, 9600/200MP, 7600/200, iMacs DVSE Graphite and 600 Snow, 7220/200, WGS 7350/180, 6360/160, 5500/250 DE, Pismo, 2x Lombards, 6100/66DOS, 2x CC's, 3x Pluses, 512K, SE/30, SE Superdrive, 2x Classics, IIvx, IIci, IIsi, 3x LC520, 4x LC575, 5x P580, LC, LCIII, //gs LE, 2x ROM 02 //gs', IIe... and I'm outta characters!

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#88 2015-06-22 15:30:31

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

I had a 400MHz Sawtooth new when I was editing the university newspaper. It replaced a Power Mac 7100 with an external drive that somehow still managed to run QuarkXPress without too many crashes; the Sawtooth was substantially faster, played Quake III after hours, and thanks to incredibly restrictive Multiple Users settings that I insisted on prevented the student services director's kid from tainting it with screen savers and useless crap (the Windows NT 4 machine next to it was not so fortunate).

That 7100 somehow made it to my apartment through a circuitous but completely legal !! route, where it is now the SR-7100 of world renown.


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#89 2015-06-22 18:29:27

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

Mmmmm my blue G3 was a replacement for two machines, my iMac and a 7600/200... iMac was the daily driver and the 7600 was the video workhorse. The 7600 was very capable but just wasnt cutting the mustard so I saved some money and my parents made up the difference to buy a secondhand G3, as at that stage Multimedia and Graphic design were fields I intended to turn into a career later in life (Then somehow ended up in automotive and hospitality). Gigabits were still the current thing at that stage and Sawtooth and Yikes were still fetching most of their original retail price, and G3's werent cheap either. The Yikes came along some years later and gave me another few usable years from the same basic platform I'd been using for 10 years until I bought the G5 I had wanted since 2005. smile

I still have every one of these machines in a functioning state except the iMac, and the 7600 will probably be the next machine I clean up and put into rotation after I am 100% confident that there are no remaining redback spiders nesting in it. lol. That being said, I will probably be detuning the 7600 somewhat now as most of the items in it and some things could probably be put to better use in the 9600 which gets regular use and is far sexier... one of them being RAM, as empty slots in such a beast seems so wasteful smile


Stay hungry... Stay foolish.
G5 2.0DC, Yikes G4/500 Sonnet-Enhanced, B+W G3/450, 9600/200MP, 7600/200, iMacs DVSE Graphite and 600 Snow, 7220/200, WGS 7350/180, 6360/160, 5500/250 DE, Pismo, 2x Lombards, 6100/66DOS, 2x CC's, 3x Pluses, 512K, SE/30, SE Superdrive, 2x Classics, IIvx, IIci, IIsi, 3x LC520, 4x LC575, 5x P580, LC, LCIII, //gs LE, 2x ROM 02 //gs', IIe... and I'm outta characters!

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#90 2015-07-13 02:34:42

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

So this thread has been going for a while now and as yet my 9600 hasn't made an appearance, so I figure seeing as though I just reshuffled things and put it in a more permanent spot on the desk of power, it would be fitting to give it the introduction it is deserving of. smile

So here it is, one PM 9600/200MP... this was the dual-processor (hence the MP suffix) variant of Apples flagship insanebox of 1997, with a TWO 604e's at 200MHz on a removable daughtercard, More RAM slots that you can poke a stick at and a RAM ceiling that in 2015 sits at 1.5Gb (That is the same RAM ceiling as a G4 QS tower... just let that sink in for a bit), 6 PCI-slots, a PCI graphics card that is capable of 1600 resolution in 16-bit colour, and a very open physical architecture that gave endless scope for expansion and upgrade, all in a case that was as easy to work with as a 7500. big_smile


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I wanted one as a young whippersnapper (and was also fully aware it wasnt happening anytime soon), and have wanted one ever since and well, not all that long ago, one happened to come up for sale about 250km away and for the price I simply had to have it... I also obtained the IIvx earlier in the thread as part of this package deal and well, having spent the better part of the evening playing Mac's with the fellow who had multitudes of things which he was quite happy to part with, I ended up gladly shelling over about $150 which saw my car piled with a working IIvx, a IIsi needing a PSU, a bunch of cables, and the most important thing the 9600, as well as a full boxed Targa2000 capture card, a Crescendo G3/400-1M card, some RAM, a 64Mb R7000 PCI, and a spare almost new 9600 logic board... and probably some other things I may have forgotten to mention. I was more than happy at having hauled some priceless things, ad made a new friend and valuable contact. smile It was well worth the 500km round-trip.

A couple of weeks later, the bloke also posted me the original TwinTurbo128 full-length PCI graphics card and a NuBus ethernet card free of charge for the vx after I enquired about whether he had any floating around. Even better!

Anyway, back to the 9600... It is now well, basically the ultmate beige street-sleeper after some frustrating early teething issues. smile Currently it has the G3/400 Crescendo card installed, runs 512Mb of RAM in an interleaved config and with some slots spare still, PCI bus completely filled with the TT128 stock graphics card (probably the only stock part left as it is picky about graphics cards), an Ultra SCSI card, USB-Firewire Combo card, a 4-port USB card ( I beleive this is 2.0 and only usable in OSX... which is possible as XPostFacto is installed), a 10/100Mb ethernet card, and that awsome beast of a T2000 card which aside from it's primary purpose as a capture device also allows dual-display functionality in either split or mirrored mode at a resolution up to 1152... I tried it out and it does the dual screen thing nicely. smile There is an 8x CD-R drive in it also and a 10Gb, 8Gb and miserly little 1.5Gb HDD under the lid, and it runs OS9.2 via the helper utility as well as being able to boot OSX 10.2 with XPostFacto (which I currently cant do due to a broken install and I may not fix it as there is no reason to run it with OSX aside from bragging rights).

I did have issues which are as yet unresolved whereby it will only boot a display with certain cards... for instance it will boot with the TT or with the artefacty Rev. 2 Rage128 cards I have, but not the good Rev. 1 Rage128 or the R7000 which both work fine in every other computer. There is also the normal flat PRAM battery needing to double boot type thing, but that is a minor inconvenience.

In any case it is a great secondary daily driver and a fantastic support machine for my 68k and early PowerMac collection, especially as far as making the network functionality of the CC truely useful as I can download things quickly from the comfort of the G5, scoot them over the to the 9600, then simply connect via Appleshare and grab what I need off the 9600, which aside from serving as a repository for anything useful to really vintage Macs, I have also started using to store backups of all my remaining working hard drives in my vintage machines so I do not lose anymore viable system folders or software that is hard to get. smile It really has become one of my most useful conquests to date, and I can still browse most of the web with it, even if it is a tad sluggish compared to it's younger brother across the desk. smile

So, there you have it! smile


Stay hungry... Stay foolish.
G5 2.0DC, Yikes G4/500 Sonnet-Enhanced, B+W G3/450, 9600/200MP, 7600/200, iMacs DVSE Graphite and 600 Snow, 7220/200, WGS 7350/180, 6360/160, 5500/250 DE, Pismo, 2x Lombards, 6100/66DOS, 2x CC's, 3x Pluses, 512K, SE/30, SE Superdrive, 2x Classics, IIvx, IIci, IIsi, 3x LC520, 4x LC575, 5x P580, LC, LCIII, //gs LE, 2x ROM 02 //gs', IIe... and I'm outta characters!

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#91 2015-07-13 02:50:24

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

Yeah, the 9600 is a great machine.  I use one with a sata pci card and ssd, and a radeon 7000 with a 1920x1280 LCD running system 7.6.1 as my primary old system development machine.  Capable of running System 7, but with all the niceties of the '00's.

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#92 2015-07-13 16:22:46

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

I use my 8550 for much the same purpose-- and it actually gets a lot of use that way (being the dominant PPC force that it is + being a slick bridge machine). When I first got it running it seemed to browse fine, but now when trying to download it hangs up all the time. So I go with the G4 lappie to take care of the downloading and then ship the files off to the 8550. Love the trickle down. lol

Buddy, you gotta get yourself a bezel!

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#93 2015-07-13 23:21:14

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

Should have a bezel on the way for it coming from the other side of Australia fairly soon to finish it off... I was avoiding photographing it until I got one because it looks takcky and brken without it but couldnt help myself lol


Stay hungry... Stay foolish.
G5 2.0DC, Yikes G4/500 Sonnet-Enhanced, B+W G3/450, 9600/200MP, 7600/200, iMacs DVSE Graphite and 600 Snow, 7220/200, WGS 7350/180, 6360/160, 5500/250 DE, Pismo, 2x Lombards, 6100/66DOS, 2x CC's, 3x Pluses, 512K, SE/30, SE Superdrive, 2x Classics, IIvx, IIci, IIsi, 3x LC520, 4x LC575, 5x P580, LC, LCIII, //gs LE, 2x ROM 02 //gs', IIe... and I'm outta characters!

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#94 2015-07-14 00:14:02

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

I put a zip drive in my Beige G3 a few months after I got it and ran it for a while with no bezel, finally found one a few months later...makes it look so much nicer.

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#95 2015-07-14 00:19:46

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

Yep I'm not gonna lie... it makes me die inside looking at a bare RF shield. Can't wait to get me a hold of this elusive bezel. It's turned out to be a fiasco finding one in Australia. hell, I'd buy a cheap G3 MT just for the case parts if I could find one but even those simply dont exist anymore in the for sale market at all, never mind cheaply.


Stay hungry... Stay foolish.
G5 2.0DC, Yikes G4/500 Sonnet-Enhanced, B+W G3/450, 9600/200MP, 7600/200, iMacs DVSE Graphite and 600 Snow, 7220/200, WGS 7350/180, 6360/160, 5500/250 DE, Pismo, 2x Lombards, 6100/66DOS, 2x CC's, 3x Pluses, 512K, SE/30, SE Superdrive, 2x Classics, IIvx, IIci, IIsi, 3x LC520, 4x LC575, 5x P580, LC, LCIII, //gs LE, 2x ROM 02 //gs', IIe... and I'm outta characters!

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#96 2015-07-17 01:48:18

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

So as you probably know I intended to delve into the cave and retreive some more treasures, bats and spiders this week and upon putting it out to the members to give me some suggestions as to where to start, there were a few machines that seemed to tickle everyones fancy (and kind of how I was leaning anyway as a starting point). So the latest animals to make the move over to Batcave MkII are a quite loaded IIci, my rather mint condition ROM03 IIgs, and of most interest to everyone it seems, the 5500/250 Directors Edition "Black Mac"....

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Most of you would be familiar with the 5400 DE, and the 5500/275DE as they were sold in various markets around the world, however the 5500/250DE seems to cause a fair bit of headscratching among many afficionados as it was a model that was basically unique to the Australian market... most will tell you it doesnt exist until they see it in the flesh! lol

Whilst the standard beige 5500/225 was common in the education sector and was a fairly powerful machine in itself, with one of the fastest 603's produced,at speeds comparable to some entry-level 604-based professional desktops, a great (for a mid-market Mac of it's time) Rage 2D/3D 2MB graphics controller and very expandable for an AIO, with a PCI slot, as well as a comm slot and dedicated A/V-card slot, the /250DE was targetted more towards the higher end of the consumer market, and aside from the obvious 25MHz gain in CPU speed, it also came with the A/V slot populated with a component/S-Video card as standard equipment and had a 4Gb HDD (twice the size of the /225 models unit)... and it was black and sexy! big_smile

Anyway, this machne came to me in mint condition about 10 years ago, and even then they were not cheap and were sought after... I was lucky to have had it given to me. Unfortunately now, some monkey has interefered with my old batcave and managed to damage the case grilles, and the spindleresque plastics mean that I accidentally snagged one of the rear cover tabs on a shoe rack bringing the machine indoors and snapped that off to. I will at some stage likely attempt a repair of the damaged top by cutting a section of the grill from a dead 5260 I have lying around and grafting it in place then painting it to match the rest of the machine.

Now unfortunately, the rubbish 4.5V Rayovac battery has leaked (which I half expected) and it had caused some corrosion on the board. and on the fingers of the comm slot ethernet card... the more fortunate bit though is that a good toothbrushing removed most of the corrosion to reveal the circuit traces and chip legs largely intact, and indeed the machine did boot to the desktop best I can tell?

"Best I can tell?"

Yep... it will not display video, in fact it appears to not power up the CRT at all. This in all honesty is unsurprising as 5xxx machines are no stranger to flyback circuit failures. This being said, there is nothing saying that the logic board itself is not at fault and simply failing to tell the display to power on. the only way I will know for sure is try the board in one of my beige 5500's (assuming they still work) and rule it out. In any case the board will need at the very least a thorough wash and quite likely some other attention down the track due to the battery issue and will eventually require a recap anyway.

Anyway, that is the first cab off the rank covered.


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#97 2015-07-17 02:46:29

Schmoburger
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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

Next one looking sharp after a quick spruce up is the ROM03 IIgs... In all honesty I only ever really used this once and then put it away in a dark place as it was in such good nick.

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One thing I love about this machine (and a few others from the era) is the silkscreened monograph on the front of the PSU housing you can see in the open picture. The ROM03 IIgs in general is just a really pretty, well-made, "finished"-looking machine IMO, with all traces of it's IIe ancestry wiped clean. It really just does reek of good quality and good design. I actually sometimes wonder what these machines could have become had history taken a different turn and had the gs and the hardware and software supporting it continued to be developed. smile

At the time this was procured I really only had Apple II software available and no gsOS stuff, so the ROM00 "Woz" machine with the 256k memory upgrade was ample and realistically ideal, so there really was no reason to ever play with this. Nowadays I would like to get myself some gsOS disks and have a play with it... that being said, this is one of a trio of gs's I own, being this one, the ROM00 "Woz" Limited Edition, and another which I beleive to be a ROM01 and in decidedly poorer condition than the other two but was still functional... I basically kept this last one  as a parts hack for the "Woz" if it ever broke, but I may just start toying with it as a hack to play with both dedicated gs and II stuff, as it takes up far less space than my IIe and it's gargantuan display, and is fully functional as a gs unlike the "Woz" (assuming it is indeed an 01 which I beleive it to be as the boards are decidedly different between them).


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#98 2015-07-17 05:16:00

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

And here we have the IIci after a tidy up... I love everything about these machines and they are definitely among my favourite desktop cases except for when it comes to cleaning them. So. Many. Grooves. *bangs head against wall*... Oh and the nasty Spindlerific plastic makes me sad. But that aside they are soooo damn easy to take apart... literally one screw and a handful of nice soft plastic latches.

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Unfortunately this one will need a cap job and some cap leakage damage control before it flies again. sad But thankfully the damage does not seem too horrific. I must say it bums me that this did work perfectly when I parked it 10 or so years ago. Ah well.

Oh and also I dug out my old MacALLY AEK-wannabe from the keyboard cupboard... an AEK it most definitely is not, but it does the job well enough and looks the part so it is now on the 9600 smile

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#99 2015-07-17 16:17:27

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

But Iici, IIcx, Q700 weren't really Spindler plastic. I've never seen a brittle one. That didn't seem to start until the Q800, Q610 era.


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#100 2015-07-17 16:33:23

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Re: Schmo's bottomless bat-cave of present and future thangs...

Spindler was only CEO from 93 to 96, so kinda unfair to blame him for plastic predating his rule.  smile

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